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		<title>By: EnergyByEarth.com &#187; Gridtastic</title>
		<link>http://knowledgeproblem.com/2009/03/06/smart-grid-and-renewables-interconnection-part-4-of-5/#comment-7732</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Some smart grid reading recommendations &#171; Knowledge Problem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Some smart grid reading recommendations &#171; Knowledge Problem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Monday&#8217;s Smart Grid News notes have a lot of interesting comments. Note, in particular, the first item that stresses the risk we face that &#8220;the Smart Grid [sic] for distribution utilities could be shanghaied by an overemphasis on transmission&#8221;. This observation reiterates the same point that I made in my post last week about smart grid and renewables interconnection. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Monday&#8217;s Smart Grid News notes have a lot of interesting comments. Note, in particular, the first item that stresses the risk we face that &#8220;the Smart Grid [sic] for distribution utilities could be shanghaied by an overemphasis on transmission&#8221;. This observation reiterates the same point that I made in my post last week about smart grid and renewables interconnection. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Smart grid technology, economics, and policy (Part 1 of 5) &#171; Knowledge Problem</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A smart grid is a transactive grid (Part 2 of 5) &#171; Knowledge Problem</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Recommendations for smart grid policy (Part 5 of 5) &#171; Knowledge Problem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Recommendations for smart grid policy (Part 5 of 5) &#171; Knowledge Problem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lynne,

Great and thoughtful response. While I am confused as to what you mean by &quot;false conflation,&quot; I do agree that the Center for American Progress&#039;s report engages in a degree of conflation- out of necessity.

&quot;The smart grid will do to energy prices what the internet did to the price of information&quot;
-Al Gore, NCEP

&quot;The price of energy will double in the next decade.&quot;
-Joe Romm, www.climateprogress.org

This is absolutely necessary if Obama wishes to pursue his aggressive agenda for climate change. There will be a carbon market, this market will increase energy prices, American families will bear the brunt of those prices. The purpose of the smart grid is to alleviate the effect of  the price on the American people.

Yes, transmission and the smart grid are not the same thing, however they are very similar and rely on the same infrastructure. It would be a waste to not meet these two challenges at the same time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynne,</p>
<p>Great and thoughtful response. While I am confused as to what you mean by &#8220;false conflation,&#8221; I do agree that the Center for American Progress&#8217;s report engages in a degree of conflation- out of necessity.</p>
<p>&#8220;The smart grid will do to energy prices what the internet did to the price of information&#8221;<br />
-Al Gore, NCEP</p>
<p>&#8220;The price of energy will double in the next decade.&#8221;<br />
-Joe Romm, <a href="http://www.climateprogress.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateprogress.org</a></p>
<p>This is absolutely necessary if Obama wishes to pursue his aggressive agenda for climate change. There will be a carbon market, this market will increase energy prices, American families will bear the brunt of those prices. The purpose of the smart grid is to alleviate the effect of  the price on the American people.</p>
<p>Yes, transmission and the smart grid are not the same thing, however they are very similar and rely on the same infrastructure. It would be a waste to not meet these two challenges at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Giberson</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad you have emphasized, in this post and earlier, the relatively limited overlap between smart grid and renewable energy.

As you have explained, the smart grid is primarily a retail and distribution level value phenomena, not a wholesale and high-voltage transmission project.  Yes, a smart grid and good prices will shave some consumer demand off the peak, and that will affect wholesale markets and transmission, but that isn&#039;t the main source of value from the smart grid.

On the smart grid+renewable intersection, I see three connections:

*Better retail pricing made possible by advanced metering infrastructure will make better use of non-dispatchable generation like wind and solar.  To the extent high levels of wind power output are pushing wholesale prices down, consumer response to the prices can make better use of the supply.  Ramteen Sioshansi and Walter Short have a paper out in which they estimate the possible effects for ERCOT.

*A renewable power enthusiast with a houseful of smart grid appliances could tie at least some of his power consumption to the current availability of wind power, for example.  Maybe the washer and dryer don&#039;t run if wind power is less than 10 percent of the area&#039;s current power output. (Which is to say, rather than just responding to lower prices, as in the above example, a consumer could respond to the current generation mix.)

*And, as you mentioned, smart grid communications between consumer and distribution company will help support integration of distributed renewables.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you have emphasized, in this post and earlier, the relatively limited overlap between smart grid and renewable energy.</p>
<p>As you have explained, the smart grid is primarily a retail and distribution level value phenomena, not a wholesale and high-voltage transmission project.  Yes, a smart grid and good prices will shave some consumer demand off the peak, and that will affect wholesale markets and transmission, but that isn&#8217;t the main source of value from the smart grid.</p>
<p>On the smart grid+renewable intersection, I see three connections:</p>
<p>*Better retail pricing made possible by advanced metering infrastructure will make better use of non-dispatchable generation like wind and solar.  To the extent high levels of wind power output are pushing wholesale prices down, consumer response to the prices can make better use of the supply.  Ramteen Sioshansi and Walter Short have a paper out in which they estimate the possible effects for ERCOT.</p>
<p>*A renewable power enthusiast with a houseful of smart grid appliances could tie at least some of his power consumption to the current availability of wind power, for example.  Maybe the washer and dryer don&#8217;t run if wind power is less than 10 percent of the area&#8217;s current power output. (Which is to say, rather than just responding to lower prices, as in the above example, a consumer could respond to the current generation mix.)</p>
<p>*And, as you mentioned, smart grid communications between consumer and distribution company will help support integration of distributed renewables.</p>
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		<title>By: Intelligent end-use devices make a transactive smart grid valuable (Part 3 of 5) &#171; Knowledge Problem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Intelligent end-use devices make a transactive smart grid valuable (Part 3 of 5) &#171; Knowledge Problem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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