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	<title>Comments on: Jonah Lehrer channels his inner economist</title>
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		<title>By: lkiesling</title>
		<link>http://knowledgeproblem.com/2009/11/19/jonah-lehrer-channels-his-inner-economist/#comment-10127</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan, I interpret Table 9 of the paper, the &quot;intimidation&quot; analysis, as getting at what you have in mind, and the data don&#039;t suggest any &quot;intimidation factor&quot; relative to playing with others. But that analysis may not be what you had in mind ...

Mike, I saw that result, and I agree that it&#039;s suggestive and consistent with the &quot;scale back effort&quot; strategy. To rephrase my question to incorporate this discussion: in the &quot;trying too hard&quot; hypothesis, is there a way that such a strategy would manifest itself other than in score variance? How might golfers try too hard that might differ from &quot;riskier&quot; strategies?

The cool thing about Jen&#039;s dataset is that she can control for within- and between-tournament variation, as well as cross-player variation, and that she can do the hole-by-hole analysis in the &quot;risky strategies&quot; analysis. This yields an estimate of within-round variance by player, so we can compare across players with and without Tiger.

I interpret Lehrer&#039;s &quot;paralysis by analysis&quot; as possibly manifesting itself in some other way than through riskier shots on a hole-by-hole basis, which is what Jen tested for in Table 10&#039;s estimates. Here&#039;s what I have in mind: professional athletes train for precision and consistency, so even if they have a &quot;paralysis by analysis&quot;, they are still so consistent and precise because of their skill and training that they are still performing in a very high range, but that being self-conscious and overthinking things at the margin still results in lower within-round average scores by hole, even though it doesn&#039;t result in higher within-round variance.

So I&#039;m still searching for a way to tease the psychology result out of the data!

Hey, this is a fun discussion, we should do stuff like this more often ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I interpret Table 9 of the paper, the &#8220;intimidation&#8221; analysis, as getting at what you have in mind, and the data don&#8217;t suggest any &#8220;intimidation factor&#8221; relative to playing with others. But that analysis may not be what you had in mind &#8230;</p>
<p>Mike, I saw that result, and I agree that it&#8217;s suggestive and consistent with the &#8220;scale back effort&#8221; strategy. To rephrase my question to incorporate this discussion: in the &#8220;trying too hard&#8221; hypothesis, is there a way that such a strategy would manifest itself other than in score variance? How might golfers try too hard that might differ from &#8220;riskier&#8221; strategies?</p>
<p>The cool thing about Jen&#8217;s dataset is that she can control for within- and between-tournament variation, as well as cross-player variation, and that she can do the hole-by-hole analysis in the &#8220;risky strategies&#8221; analysis. This yields an estimate of within-round variance by player, so we can compare across players with and without Tiger.</p>
<p>I interpret Lehrer&#8217;s &#8220;paralysis by analysis&#8221; as possibly manifesting itself in some other way than through riskier shots on a hole-by-hole basis, which is what Jen tested for in Table 10&#8242;s estimates. Here&#8217;s what I have in mind: professional athletes train for precision and consistency, so even if they have a &#8220;paralysis by analysis&#8221;, they are still so consistent and precise because of their skill and training that they are still performing in a very high range, but that being self-conscious and overthinking things at the margin still results in lower within-round average scores by hole, even though it doesn&#8217;t result in higher within-round variance.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m still searching for a way to tease the psychology result out of the data!</p>
<p>Hey, this is a fun discussion, we should do stuff like this more often &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Giberson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect that detailed examination of golfer&#039;s shots would allow discrimination between &quot;scale back efforts&quot; and &quot;trying too hard.&quot;  That is to say, golfer&#039;s likely play holes differently under the two hypotheses, so seeing how they actually play when up against Tiger could reveal which explanation works better.

Simpler to examine, and possibly revealing a difference, I would guess that &quot;scale back&quot; implies scores that are higher on average but likely with lower variance, while &quot;trying too hard&quot; produces scores that are higher on average but with a higher variance.  (Trying &quot;hard enough, but not too hard&quot; is the ideal, which gives a desirable below average score and a typical variance.) 

So, what happens to the variance of scores of all of the non-Tigers with and without Tiger in the tournament?

... a brief pause while I look at Brown&#039;s paper ...

She says: &quot;Results in Table 10 suggest that the presence of the superstar does not lead to increased variance in players&#039; scores.&quot;  and &quot;Overall, this hole-level analysis provides little evidence that Woods&#039;s presence induces players riskier strategies that result in higher scores and the observed superstar effect.&quot;

Case closed on the &quot;trying too hard&quot; explanation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that detailed examination of golfer&#8217;s shots would allow discrimination between &#8220;scale back efforts&#8221; and &#8220;trying too hard.&#8221;  That is to say, golfer&#8217;s likely play holes differently under the two hypotheses, so seeing how they actually play when up against Tiger could reveal which explanation works better.</p>
<p>Simpler to examine, and possibly revealing a difference, I would guess that &#8220;scale back&#8221; implies scores that are higher on average but likely with lower variance, while &#8220;trying too hard&#8221; produces scores that are higher on average but with a higher variance.  (Trying &#8220;hard enough, but not too hard&#8221; is the ideal, which gives a desirable below average score and a typical variance.) </p>
<p>So, what happens to the variance of scores of all of the non-Tigers with and without Tiger in the tournament?</p>
<p>&#8230; a brief pause while I look at Brown&#8217;s paper &#8230;</p>
<p>She says: &#8220;Results in Table 10 suggest that the presence of the superstar does not lead to increased variance in players&#8217; scores.&#8221;  and &#8220;Overall, this hole-level analysis provides little evidence that Woods&#8217;s presence induces players riskier strategies that result in higher scores and the observed superstar effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Case closed on the &#8220;trying too hard&#8221; explanation?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you could test Lehrer&#039;s hypothesis by looking at the performance of Tiger&#039;s playing partners compared to what they and/or others do when not playing with Tiger.

If he really is intimidating, then I think he would have the greatest impact when his opponents get a first-hand look at him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you could test Lehrer&#8217;s hypothesis by looking at the performance of Tiger&#8217;s playing partners compared to what they and/or others do when not playing with Tiger.</p>
<p>If he really is intimidating, then I think he would have the greatest impact when his opponents get a first-hand look at him.</p>
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		<title>By: David Pinto</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most professional athletes are highly competitive people who hate to lose.  I would tend to agree with Lehrer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most professional athletes are highly competitive people who hate to lose.  I would tend to agree with Lehrer.</p>
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